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Explore the differences between sidereal (real sky) and tropical (season-based) astrology. Share your transition journey or ask questions about switching systems.

[Niki Tennessen]

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Hehe not another sarcastic astronomer😂 The video explains very well the affects of Precession of the Equinoxes. Imagine one day , its the year 2695 the Sun rises reaching for the stars of Aquarius. It’s a 26,000 year cycle so zero degrees Aries isn’t magically coming back into alignment anytime soon so how can a system like Tropical stay relevant? Ask yourself is my practice rooted in traditions that no longer align with the natural sky? Maybe you didn’t know there was a difference like me. I thought all astrology was based off the real sky and was shook when I found out it wasn’t😱

[Abbey Quinn]

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So Hipparchus still gets credit for discovering precession, even though all he did was write down that there was a difference in where the stars in the Babylonian catalogs were compared to his time… which was why the Babylonians were writing them down, because they’d known for thousands of years that they moved 😄. Yeah, this is a good video. Maybe one day, AI will get good enough for us regular folk to make sweet science animations in our vids.

[Niki Tennessen]

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It was the most entertaining and straight to the point one I found lol! Science is great and all but so is real life experience and I knew something was so off. I’d been using astrology to try to understand the people closest to me all my life, even myself. I never learned anything insightful or useful applying Tropical. As soon as I switched to Sidereal all of a sudden what I’m seeing in the chart and in the person, its aligned. I felt bamboozled fr!

[Rialda Agincic]

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Same here! I’ve been trying to figure myself out through so many things—numerology, Human Design, deck cards 🃏, etc.—but nothing ever truly stuck. My passion for astrology was always strong, but I constantly felt like something was missing. Why couldn’t I stand behind it 💯?

Then I discovered sidereal astrology, and it was like waking up from a dream—the fog just lifted. With a little help from my husband, I found you guys, and since then, everything has gone from 10 km/h to 250 km/h 🤪

[Abbey Quinn]

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@rikki, how far into tropical did you get? I’ve been trying to get a sense of where that cut-off point is for people, where they’re like, “No, I’ve invested too much into tropical to turn back now.”

[Rialda Agincic]

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Hehe great question!
That’s another thing that I am most grateful for! . I never got to the point with tropical astrology where I wanted to sell it or promote it to others, because it never felt quite right. So I let it be…I have never purshased some course or anything like that , just self-taught. That’s why I go all in now 💯🤪

[Maria Ravener]

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@nikitennessen Too funny! Thanks for sharing this vid. It was super insightful.

[Abbey Quinn]

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@Rikki I’m self-taught too, but when I started studying, there weren’t really any Mesopotamian astrology resources outside of the scholarly material, and there still aren’t, save for some Babylonian-specific courses. But I wasn’t aware of them at the time. Of course, I’m a research junkie, so I’m not sure I’d have it any other way 😀

[Rialda Agincic]

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That’s why I jumped on your course ! Saved me some research time 😅🙏

[Niki Tennessen]

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You know I was just having another conversation as to why I get the way I do about Tropical. Its frustrating learning about historical events in tropical and you KNOW its not the right alignments happening in the sky 🙂

[Abbey Quinn]

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@nikitennessen I think the more you understand astrology and its history, the more frustrating the tropical argument becomes. People who only have a surface-level knowledge don’t seem quite as affected by it 🤷‍♀️

[Michael Hartigan]

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Yeah it seems that when people understand the history better, and the details of the arguments, and the levels of ignorance that rode humanity for the last period of recorded history… the argument against tropical makes more sense. Hahaha ‘ignorance is bliss’ as they say.

Aristarchus and his student Archimedes (ancient Heliocentrists) certainly understood celestial mechanics better than Aristotle, better than Plato (both of whom wrote about Geocentric Universe), better than literally *anyone* until perhaps Copernicus. But this whole problem of doing what everyone else is doing because… um… no reason needed for many sheep, but the problem goes back forever like as far as we have history, we have record of seemingly charismatic influential people, leaders, misleading people out of ignorance or malice or some strange cocktail of both… and if you look deeper you’ll find someone, presumably less charismatic and influential, in the background or the corners of the scene quietly promoting the truth, usually ignored by the masses.

le sigh… the more you understand history, the more, and less, frustrating human ignorance becomes lol… there’s little else comprising the record (making it more frustrating) but when you realize that we’re all fools at best… damned fools at worst, and always have been, i think it makes everything a little better.

My point originally was that its not an astrology thing, its a humanity thing.. ignorance pervades every human discipline and endeavor to great extent. But then on the way to that point i went on a tangent about groupthink. hmm… well i stand behind all that blather so i’ll leave it as is. Thanks for letting me vent lol

[Abbey Quinn]

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Yes, it’s definitely a human psychology thing. You know, I follow a lot of academic types, and they think we’re all just as misguided (astrologers, that is). But as they say, the only difference between pseudoscience and science is time 😉

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